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File: 5c95903c99de2b9⋯.jpg (62.46 KB, 1172x627, 1172:627, pocket like its hot.jpg)

 No.1556467[Reply]

This thread is dedicated to the discussion of /leftypol/ moderation, both as a matter of direction and accountability for individual actions.

If you see a thread deleted or moderated in a way that you think is unfair, please post ITT, preferably with evidence or a detailed description of it. This won't guarantee a reversal, but it will help bring it to my attention. Volunteers who turn out to be repeat offenders and refuse to learn will have their accounts removed. You can also monitor our actions here:

http://oxwugzccvk3dk6tj.onion.nu/log.php?board=leftypol

http://oxwugzccvk3dk6tj.onion.nu/bans.html

As well, Volunteers who can't decide what to do about something should post ITT to get feedback before acting.

NOTE: This thread is not for the discussion of the recent potential migration announcement. You are allowed to discuss the matter, just not in this thread.

Apparently the last thread got inadvertently deleted. No it was not an act of suppression. I just spilled greasy pocket cheese all over my keyboard, and in the ensuing hurt and confusion, accidents happened. My sincerest apologies orz

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 No.1615107

>>1615086

>You were caught and admitted to evading your ban

I wasn't "caught," I came to the mod thread openly and started my spiel with saying that I know it's ban evading but there's no other way to make my case. You said yourself that this isn't an issue.

>(not to mention the posts that came AFTER the confession post outside that thread).

I don't remember posting outside the mod thread after the ban.

>>When do the unenforced rulings become forfeited due time?

>Theoretically never

A marvelous loophole.




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 No.1559095[Reply]

https://www.bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol

Just a reminder to our users that if anything happen to 8ch or /leftypol/ please go to https://www.bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol

It is our bunker in case of an emergency

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 No.1559769

>>1559170

Right here. What happened?




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 No.1312944[Reply]

Official /leftypol/ reading list

In this thread, various members of the community have listed recommended literature regarding leftism, i.e. economics, political theory, philosophy and other subjects related to leftism. Some recommendations are for starters, or for those in advanced literature.

https://archive.is/L8uFD

/Leftypol/ has many ideologies, Marxist, Anarchist, Left-com, etc. so there is a variety of different literature with different viewpoints.

Reading literature is recommended, as it helps you understand leftism better and is much better than reading Wikipedia synopses.

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 No.1614923

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 No.518058[Reply]

Hello and welcome to /leftypol/. Please check the board tags for related boards. These are our groups:

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/leftypol

http://qchat.rizon.net/?channels=leftypol

Leftybooru:

http://lefty.booru.org/

/leftypol/'s magazine:

http://bunkermag.org/

Other leftist chans/backups:

http://www.getchan.net/

http://www.bunkerchan.org/

FAQ:

>How can you call yourselves leftist politically incorrect?

/leftypol/ posters are allowed to voice opinions that offend liberals, SJWs, and so on. All sects of leftism are allowed to post on /leftypol/, leading to plenty of fighting and shitflinging between leftists, which other forums would tend to ban. However, this was only a minor consideration in the naming of /leftypol/. Since the concept is simply a leftist version of /pol/, the entire name of /pol/ was retained.

>I'm not a leftist can I post here?

/leftypol/ welcomes debate from non-leftists. Non-leftists frequently come here to ask questions and raise topics for debate. Board moderation here is more focused on maintaining a good board index, so non-leftists have to be on better behavior as OP than they do as participants in someone else's thread. If you aren't b8ing or shitposting, your thread is likely to stay up.

>Are you liberals? Are you SJWs? Do you like Obama? Are you all Zionists???

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 No.1609698

>>1605167

What a nice, rational and intelligent rebuttal.




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 No.1606516[Reply]

It's a common thing for people to claim reactionaries who disapprove of sexual liberation do so because for one reason or another they aren't fully able to participate in it. And I agree

The issue becomes a problem when you have men turning towards right wing retards because of this perceived unfairness. And in general we as socialists should want to reduce human misery as much as possible.

One quarter of middle aged Jap males are virgins, and I don't imagine they are satisfied. Human relationships are something nessecary for people to become self actualized, and I think we should reexamine the concept of sexual liberation or at least redefine it to be sexual liberation that EVERYONE can participate in, rather than just a few

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 No.1615368

>>1615367

So you're telling me the fact that I am poor has ZERO to do with me not having a choice when it comes to sex.


 No.1615369

>>1615367

So you're saying that eugenics will be a natural side effect of the transition to socialism?


 No.1615373

>>1615368

all the poorest countries are booming with population

you're just undesirable.


 No.1615378

>Human relationships are something nessecary for people to become self actualized

>self-actualized

>self

I don't think that's actually true, OP. Maybe actualized as part of a community or a love relationship, not as an individual or a being though.


 No.1615380

>>1615367

We have a lot more important things to be doing than fucking every day. Sexual intercourse is not something worth even thinking about, and the people who focus on it, the fucking Chris-Chans of the world, are mentally ill.




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 No.1612757[Reply]

>can't find a job despite looking fucking everywhere

>most likely because I'm 21 with no experience and not even a GED (dropped out due to depression and a drug/drinking problem, too much to go into here)

>NEET for 5 years before this so super ashamed that I am basically just a lumpenprole who does nothing for the working class

>have tried and chickened out of two different anti-capitalism events I've tried to organize with the few other Leftists in my area (they are really just left-liberals who larp as commies, they claim to hate the State and capitalism but all voted for Sanders and so on)

>been drinking heavily again and watching too much porn

>haven't lifted in a week and been over eating

>can feel porn dependency creeping back due to relapse after a No Porn stretch which lasted 3 months

Should I honestly just off myself? I'm still essentially a NEET I just donate plasma for money and spend less time on the internet now and I can feel that slipping away. I haven't donated in about 2 weeks and am basically just living off my parents again. Every day when I wake up my life feels more and more pointless and I have absolutely nothing to contribute to the revolution at all. I just sit around and drink and watch the Sopranos and beat off. I feel so disgusted with myself

Anyone else depressed

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 No.1615123

>>1615098

yea, internet interactions aren't really valued enough imo.

the best i can offer is that there are some places where people are open to being 'intruded.' granted, they're rapidly dying out as things like low-class coffee shops are being discarded in favor of corporate trash, but in most cities, they're still around. take a day just walking around and exploring the city you live in (if it's a big one, look up how to do a 'psychogeography') and check out some public spaces. if you just start being around one long enough, other regulars notice and you'll more than likely eventually talk in some capacity. i think our current culture really downplays the importance of these kinds of places, but historically shit like coffee shops/bars have been where socialization happens.


 No.1615126

>>1615117

Weirdly I've had the least luck back in school with this. Randomly on the street works better historically for me. I suppose because it's less of a crowd.


 No.1615278

>>1613934

Cause he doesn't like it, duh.


 No.1615376

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>>1613906

I had to put in well over 50 applications before I could escape my last shithole of a job, and I had to put in ~30 just to get that one. Job-hunting is hell, callbacks don't do shit, ignore the Rosa-killer.


 No.1615379

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 No.1612492[Reply]

since americans are (unfortunately) spooked about communism, & anarcho-syndicalism would set the foundation of anarcho communism anyways, why not just advocate for anarcho-syndicalism in america?

just seems like much harder to convince americans to give communism a try, instead of anarcho-syndicalism which may appeal to their affinity to unions.

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 No.1615225

I don't like the hierarchical nature of unions. You just end up with unions becoming their own bullshit corporate entity that exploits the workers to make profit from other porkies.

we need horizontal unions.


 No.1615324

To unionize you don't need to have the help of preexisting unions or call yourself a union. If you have a job just get your coworkers together, find what out what you want, then collectively go to the boss and say what you want; don't mention anything about unions or Socialism, just speak in the real and practical terms of "they need us, and we have power over them, let's exercise this power and get what we want". If you don't have a job, get a friend of yours to unionize his workplace. Unions don't have to be complicated or bureaucratic, they're just the workers exercising their collective power. If you're successful at unionizing, then start talking to your coworkers about politics. Maybe also join or create a local IWW branch while you're at it.


 No.1615347

why not something like de-leonism? weld a synicalist union to a party structure


 No.1615350

File: 2e5ee1516affd6a⋯.jpg (43.92 KB, 500x731, 500:731, choamnomsky.jpg)

Hey.


 No.1615377

>>1612508

>Anarcho-anything only appeals to edgy teenagers.

>NazBol

hmmm




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 No.1615068[Reply]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/26/us/politics/nafta-executive-order-trump.html?_r=0

This isn't even Chess anymore, this is some hyperdimensional, non-Euclidean shit that has transcended any board game we can conceive.

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 No.1615338

>>1615314

Thankfully that's their fetish so they'll be perfectly fine with it.


 No.1615342

This is going to be a long four years for trumpets


 No.1615363

u guys dont seem to understand /pol/ they arnt going to support trump to the end of the earth he was the means to an end

for pol trump was a better candidate then Hillary

and still is w/e trump does is out of pols hands

the only ones supporting trump are the reddit /rdonald cucks who are border line downies

W/e Trump does he will always be a better choice for pol then what Hillary was for them


 No.1615372

/pol/ went from saying trump will never launch a nuclear war to actively shill a nuclear war in the space of two months. I doubt they have the self-consciousness to realise the irony.


 No.1615375

>some shit about the economy

wtf i love diversity, multiculturalism, illegal immigration and refugees now




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 No.1614059[Reply]

The YDS (college student wing of the DSA) is doing a debate against the TPUSA (a conservacuck org) of socialism vs capitalism from 6:30 PM ET to 8:30.

>During these tense and uncertain times, once minority viewpoints are now coming into the mainstream. Campuses, too, are center for heavy ideological debate and conflict.

>Join Ryan Mosgrove, National Organizer for Young Democratic Socialists, and Charlie Kirk, Founder and Executive Director of Turning Point USA, two college based groups for a friendly debate on whether millenials should fight for socialism or capitalism.

From what I've seen from all the lefties on Twitter, it looks like our boy is gonna btfo out of the other guy. So strap in, and get comfy boys.

Here's the link to the livestream: https://www.facebook.com/YDSUSA/videos/1580167228680610

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 No.1615359

>>1614204

>when you literally become as detestable as the altreich and shame /leftypol/

Take a good long look in the mirror, son


 No.1615361

>>1614215

YEAH BUT GUBERMENT REGULATIONS

So fucking annoying… the right is the densest collection of hypocrites in the history of human thought


 No.1615362

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>>1615359

>when you literally become as detestable as the altreich and start believing propaganda from actual ukrainian nazis

Take a good long look in the mirror, son


 No.1615374

>>1614452

"The Union troops and the Emancipation STOLE our property from us!! They were the REAL socialists!!"




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 No.1610283[Reply]

Okay, can someone explain to me what the hell happened to the IWW and basically made them vanish when they have such a massive influence in the work force previously.

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 No.1615271

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>>1615265

>tfw you will never have a National Syndicalist/Sorelianist Mussolini to meme about

>tfw we only have Benito 'Italian Style Pork Fresh off the Hook" Mussolini, the walking failure

Feels very, very bad, man.


 No.1615349

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>>1615271

>tfw you will never be able to uphold the immortal dialectic science of Marxist-Luxemburgist-Hitlerism

feels even worse man


 No.1615353

>>1612265

>everything in politics that I don't like is idpol

Idpol is a lie, "identity politics" exists today purely as a reaction to opposition by regressive conservatives to the way people are from the day they are born (skin color, sexuality, gender/sex, all spooks in themselves), you legitimately are trying to help the spooks thrive without even being aware of it, your opposition to "idpol" is destroying the left.


 No.1615358

>>1615353

nah, pretty sure Buzzfeed is.


 No.1615371

>>1615358

Spooks exist because of the people reacting to them, not the people embracing them and reacting to the reactions. If racism did not exist, race would not be a spook. If sexism did not exist, sex and gender inequality would not be a spook. "Idpol" people are not the ones creating the spooks, they are purely human people who believe they are defending themselves from a vicious and violent attack on their very being.




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 No.1613819[Reply]

Why is the antifa in the west coast the only effective one?

Here's the article, cut down on the liberal bs defending literal neonazis and crying about political violence instead of asking why neonazis are allowed in public parades.

>Activists in Oregon caused the cancellation of the 82nd Avenue of Roses Parade, a community event in the southeast quadrant of Portland, by threatening to forcibly drag “fascists” off the parade route if they weren’t excluded.

>Who exactly did they want removed from the parade? The local Republican Party of Multonomah County. The Oregonian reports on the threat the leftists sent to organizers:

> "You have seen how much power we have downtown and that the police cannot stop us from shutting down roads so please consider your decision wisely," the anonymous email said, telling organizers they could cancel the Republican group's registration or else face action from protesters.

>The email went on to speculate that right-wing extremists would march among the Republicans, and warned, “we will have two hundred or more people rush into the parade into the middle and drag and push those people out as we will not give one inch to groups who espouse hatred toward lgbt, immigrants, people of color or others.”

> Alocal alt-weekly quoted from a Facebook event page describing the planned protest, which stated:

> The fascists know that we'll keep shutting their marches down, they are now planning to march within other parades to protect their message of hate and white supremacy - it WON'T work. Nazis will not march through Portland.

> The group we're disrupting is #67. It is registered to the Multnomah County Republicans, but these infiltrators are the same folks from Lake Oswego, Salem, Vancouver, and even Berkeley. These are the folks that attacked a woman at PDX, they harassed Latinx parishioners with slurs and threats at a local church, they spew hate, threaten and curse young womenPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.1615357

>>1615354

>you are delusional

>Antifa is funded by third partys

lol


 No.1615364

>>1615357

All u have to do is look at BAMN and associated groups to understand where its funding and organization comes from


 No.1615365

>>1615356

Basically a bunch of idiots fell for a false flag, then a bunch of even bigger /pol/ idiots came here to gloat even though they had an even flimsier grasp on the situation. Just a tard-fest all around


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 No.1615370

>>1615364

What's with all the right wing projection on third party funding for their political actions? There's ALEC, the Heritage Foundation, TPUSA, Cato Institute, the American Enterprise Institute, Citizens United, etc. List is fucking never ending. But yeah, there's for sure a coordinated leftist conspiracy tied to shady billionaires in the US.




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 No.1605888[Reply]

how does he do it

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 No.1612763

He does it because he tries. Just imagine how many times he was rejeted before.

Some people go on and try again when they get rejected, other make this their raison d'être and blames musilims, blacks, latinos, "western women", western culture etc. Aut-right is basically sexual frustration and emasculation of already passive and submissive men.


 No.1612770

>>1611541

didier eribon plz go


 No.1612777

reading lacan and understanding how the female desire works in the realm of the symbolic makes you a sex god.

source: once read lacan, drowning in pussy.


 No.1615355

hes charming in a odd way, has a decent sense of humor, and fairly eloquent. I dont find him all that attractive but im sure many women do because of this. 10/10 would go out for drinks with.


 No.1615360

>>1612777

This can't be true, as it would imply that the study of Lacan had yielded something constructive




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 No.1353100[Reply]

https://soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/episode-79-our-values-are-under-attack-feat-tim-heidecker-2617

So the past two free episodes have been pretty lukewarm tbh. The interview with Taibbi was ok but there were no big insights. Tim is not that interesting and as much as they shit on the Daily Show it seems to me they are falling it its routine.

>Trump is a dumb old man with holes in his brain

>Ha ha he is so fucking dumb and bumbling

>Ha, he has the brain of a child

Pretty tiring. What does /leftypol/ think?

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 No.1614578

>>1614569

nice porn but you need to spoiler it


 No.1614587

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>>1614417

@vinterflamma


 No.1614623

>>1614329

>I took it as him simply wanting to cover all sides of the conflict

I believe he does but the Russians think he's CIA and won't talk to him. The Ukrainians were more willing to open up and somewhere along the way he started sympathizing with their struggle.

The guy he interviewed claims to be an ex-nazi but the fact he's in the Azov Battalion which was infamous for the far-right sympathies of it's members makes the "ex" part a little suspicious to me.


 No.1615345

>>1613803

Thanks comrade, love you


 No.1615346

>>1614131

Absolutely.

If we can get like a 21st century Smedley Butler I'll cum buckets.




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 No.1615151[Reply]

/leftydesign/

itt we post at the intersection between leftism and architecture/fashion/industrial design

That includes, but isn't limited to: your favourite Soviet-era architecture, eco-friendly/resource efficient + beautiful living spaces, industrial designs that don't fit the priorities of capitalist production, pics of comfy spaces free from alienation, architecture directed toward communal living, cool diy shit, gigaprojects that couldn't possibly get funded under capitalism, post-capitalist urban design, pics of chicks and dudes dressing like they've got total freedom of expression and the communal resources to match, relentlessly futuristic shit that's gonna come during the post-revolution golden age of art + science, etc. Plus some solarpunk art too, for the dude who asked for /leftydesign/ in the solarpunk thread.

Also, any book recommendations can go here too. Ursula LeGuin's The Dispossessed and Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars trilogy and 2312 are good for establishing the correct mindset to post here.

Basically if it gives you a sense of what a truly free world would be like under full communism, post it here.

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 No.1615318

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>>1615301

I reject corporatism as a means of societal organization.

By definition I am not a Fascist.

>Also I freely admit that I will run out of pictures before you

I would be willing to bet money you would.

>I have a feeling you're drawing from your fap folder for your posts

My fap folder is mostly full of girl-cock.

That said, my Brutalism folder is 2.1 gigabytes.


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>>1615318

Hey man, if you both hate freedom and colour and love dicks and enforced uniformity, then 'fascist' and 'technocrat' is a distinction without a difference. Also the historical Technocrats that you LARP on this balinese macrame forum pretty much all went fascist by the time the war rolled round so again, distinction without a difference.


 No.1615339

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>>1615328

>pretty much all went fascist by the time the war rolled round

Making shit up is just utterly sad.

The sort of thing I would expect of a red.

Name one prominent that publicly declared support for Fascism, just one.

Technocracy Inc was very much against Fascism.

It was the Crux of their 'Total Conscription' campaign that they ran throughout the majority of the American involvement in WW2.


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 No.1615343

>solarpunk

confirmed bookchinite




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 No.1613272[Reply]

What does /leftypol/ think about sortition/lottocracy?

Pic related is a book that defends it

I made this thread last night before going to bed, I see it on the catalog but clicking on it gives me a 404

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 No.1615284

>>1615229

OK, so the entire future history of the world will be decided based on ~someone's~ totally subjective sense of what kind of, like, vibe the future dictator of the world has. You're not even suggesting we attempt to leverage some sort of expertise. Getting back to the ~someone~ part, whose job is it to actually pick the future dictator of the human race? Do we get lots of people to choose, in the hopes that their opinions about who is most sensitive and empathetic person will average out to a correct answer? Surely not, that would be a representative democracy, the thing everyone agrees is a total shithouse popularity contest. So we have to limit the selectorate - that is, the group of people that pick the Emperor of MankindGlorious Socialist Leader. How is the composition of this selectorate decided? And how will their decision not just be another popularity contest anyway, since their job is to pick the person they think is the best most nicest person in the universe. Speaking of sociopaths/psychopaths, what will stop them from nabbing the top job? When they're not being inhuman monsters they're notoriously capable when it comes to faking a personality. When faking it they're generally considered more consistently nice than actually nice people. What's to stop them from tricking the selection committee instituting murderdeathrapetopia? You say 'oh we can remove one person from power', but you also deliberately designed a system to make that as difficult as possible. There would be a lot of unnecessary blood shed trying to fix your shitty system.

We dismiss individual personality as irrelevant because we recognise that the logic of the mode of production overrides people's personal preferences, you idealist scrub. Do you also think corporations are only bad because their CEOs are mean? Starting from your ridiculous premise it would be a reasonable conclusion. Believing that everything wrong with the world is simply because we haven't found the perfect dictator is ridiculous.


 No.1615313

>>1615237

Another person incapable of actually reading something before spewing nonsense.

Sortition doesn't mean randomly selecting a fucking president: there wouldn't be a goddamn president. It means randomly selecting from the general population enough people that they are statistically representative of their interests, and then having either form government or simply preside over some other public matter.

We already do it today with jury duty for christs sake, and that works well enough most of the time (I'd rather be judged by my peers than some lapdog of the state). Just think of it as expanding the jury system to deal with matters of public administration.

>They wouldn't have any clue what the fuck to do so they'd just ovey whatever "suggestions" "qualified" people would present to them.

Why would you do this? Are you seriously saying that if you were selected to be part of administrative body that you would just forsake your interests and go along with what some hypothetical bureaucrat wants? Are you that spineless?

>CEOs of multinationals and their intermediaries

We're talking about using sortition to administer a socialist society. There wouldn't be any CEOs or capitalists because we'd have expropriated their property already (and shot them all).

>C'mon it's a stupid ass idea, if you think about it for 5 minutes you realize it's even worse than the system we have in place now.

Maybe you should spend five minutes reading and you would realize you don't know what the hell you are talking about.


 No.1615322

>>1615313

>We already do it today with jury duty for christs sake, and that works well enough most of the time

Are you actually fucking retarded?

People on jury duty will almost immediately cave in to groupthink and rush decisions because they want to go back home watching netflix.

>Are you seriously saying that if you were selected to be part of administrative body that you would just forsake your interests and go along with what some hypothetical bureaucrat wants?

90% of all humanity is like this.

You're being completely detached from the average mindset of the common citizen.

You're either pretending, or have lived an incredibly sheltered life and never actually had to interact with many people out there.


 No.1615323

>>1613367

huh

so that's a real flag


 No.1615340

>>1615322

>People on jury duty will almost immediately cave in to groupthink and rush decisions because they want to go back home watching netflix.

[Citation Needed]

>90% of all humanity is like this.

Then that 90% would just end up going along with the 10% that aren't scrubs, which according to you they do anyway so even in the worst case scenario sortition couldn't be any worse than electoral democracy, provided the sample size is large enough to be statistically representative.




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